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thank you very much bill Thank You

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counsel Thank You SSE HBO's time I was

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able to tire time 10 seconds it would

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look good nowadays it takes a little

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longer that I want to take I have 50

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minutes I gather but I want to take some

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time to reminisce about SSE and this

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morning I was reminded of the works of a

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Dalai Lama sometimes not giving you not

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getting what you want is a wonderful

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stroke of luck that takes me back to the

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beginning when I worked for a best part

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of a year to write an analysis the

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Condon report sent it to about five

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different journals came back by return

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post rejected and Bob John had similar

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experience and it occurred to me that if

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the journals had accepted everything I

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wrote everything Bob wrote we wouldn't

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have needed SNC but of course that we

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still have the same problem and the main

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purpose of SSD who was originally who

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found a journal and the journal is going

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wonderfully well so I think Bob will

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here here we could say that our dreams

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have come true

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we were assisted enormous ly early on by

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University of Virginia Charlie Talbert

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and Larry Frederick Ian Stevenson played

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played plays very important roles in the

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beginning of the society and then we

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were after a few years we were able to

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found the journal and Henry Bauer was

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our first editor I believe followed by

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Bernie high and Marshall Simms if they

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are here but they plays very important

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roles in getting the journal up and

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running now we're very lucky to have

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Steve bow line Kathleen Erickson running

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our our journal I also would like to

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recognize a Patrick weeds

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produces the edge science for us once or

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twice a year

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hmm all right so now on to Shakespeare

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the first line is first light is up and

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I have co-authors here I'm preparing an

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article hopefully Stephen will accept it

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will see but it's I work I'm presenting

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Johnny in in cooperation with Kathleen

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who has been helping me prepare the

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manuscript and there's two English

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mathematicians Jonathan bonds and David

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Roper let's take a look at what

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Shakespeare is supposed to look like and

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I'm saying get this line this is what

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you will see if you went to the Reds

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birthplace of Shakespeare in

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stratford-upon-avon in Warwickshire in

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England and I'm told this after London

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this is the second most visited city and

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in England well where does this picture

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of somebody said he looks like a self

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self-satisfied pork butcher I don't know

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what that's a fair statement or nothing

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but and that is what someone someone

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says where did this picture come from

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well if there's an official origin it

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would be the First Folio and this is the

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portrait produced by drew shoot who the

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young man at the time and the First

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Folio and there are all kinds of

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problems but if you look at David ropers

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book you'll find ten problems with this

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with this picture for instance the

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cholera has no has no fastener got it on

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the forehead is far too big the nose are

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too long one of the most egregious

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errors is that if you look at the right

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shoulder in what you're seeing is really

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really the rear of the left shoulder so

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there many problem with this and there

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are so many

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that they could not be accidental this

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had to be a spoof and who's behind the

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spoof well certainly Ben Johnson was

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both in chief about he was uh he was

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responding to the wishes of the no woman

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who were behind this production so there

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we are there's a brochure picture and

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what else do we have well if we go back

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we look back we'll find that there was

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engraving made in 1656 of a portrait

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sketched by the antiquarian William

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Dugdale in 1634 I believe and this is

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the image you'd see next to the

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purported grave of Shakespeare in the

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Holy Trinity Church in

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stratford-upon-avon well it looks kind

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of a Dewar man it doesn't bear much

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relationship to the thought but you does

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he and what is he holding he's holding a

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wool sack well the poet and wordsmith

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and playwright holding a wolf will say

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how how come that's a puzzle isn't it

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and the next one is the actual portrait

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sketched by Dugdale at the church so

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that's that's all we have x2

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in the last few years another portrait

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has surfaced called the sanders portrait

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purportedly sketched in 1603 of the man

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from Stratford I'm going to use a word

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shack spear for the man from Shack from

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stress on Aven because that's the term

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he usually used always with a short a

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shack spear or shack a or when X or

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whatever

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never never used the word Shakespeare

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with an e and still less with a hyphen

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so over here is the Sanders portrait at

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least this looked like like a real

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person he looked a little younger than

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ten thirty years old

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one can imagine there's a real person

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knocking as if that might be a bit of a

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rogue likeable one but who knows we did

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I think the the jury is out as to

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whether this is as really as a genuine

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portrait of the man from Stratford now

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as you may know there are having many

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alternative candidates for the role of

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Shakespeare and one was Delia bacon but

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there are many others but the current

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the current running candidate is Edward

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de Vere 17th Earl of Oxford and he was

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this is this portrait painted in in in

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Paris I believe in 1575 when he was

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obviously quite a dandy but he brought

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out his brought up in the home of Lord

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Burleigh who was one of those richest

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man and men and anger and also the power

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behind the throne he had the biggest

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line one the biggest libraries in Europe

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at that time and so also de Vere had a

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magnificent education with private

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lawyers private tutors to start with and

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then followed by some years at Cambridge

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and Oxford and then of course he

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travelled extensively in Europe spending

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over urine in Italy well to get an eID

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another another reading on him let's

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look at his his writing well we don't

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have new writing by him all we have five

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purported signatures on five different

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legal documents and experts who look at

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this say they were not all written by

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them by this well wire pairs well if a

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if a person

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was illiterate and could not sign his

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name the practice was that a law clerk

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would sign him for him he had to swear

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that that was his signature well I think

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you see let's see if I can get them so

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this this and this are thought to be

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signatures by by the same man

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well what purported oh yeah reportedly

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by the same man experts say they are so

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dissimilar that they can hardly be all

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by the same man so is a problem with a

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picture there's a problem with the

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signatures let's go to de vere a

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beautiful signature and on top he always

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signed it with a with a crown and as

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shown here until the death of the Queen

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when the Queen died he stopped using the

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crown on top of his signature which is

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the puzzle in what light on it know

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exactly why and now let's look at a sign

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of his this is written by him at age

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fourteen from Paris to his Guardian

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thought Burleigh since since de Vere's

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father died when de vere was 12 he was

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sent he became a war to the Queen and

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the Queen allotted him to the care of

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Lord Lord Burleigh

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well let's supposing we were a scientist

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what was what we would do we try to look

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at see what the facts are and see how

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the facts align with the expectation and

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so let's do that let's start with the

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cryptic weather cryptograms I'll come to

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at the end but at this start with the

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knowledge of English history no doubt

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from the from the plays the author had a

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magnificent understanding of that

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history

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Oxford would have had an excellent

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understanding of history - well what

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about Shakespeare he we don't know he

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ever went to school he did it was just

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for just for three or four years in a

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town school so we don't know how much he

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probably did not know much about English

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history there and let's go on to a

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falconer there are many references their

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intricate references to the sport of

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falconry groups is a noble sport in the

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works of Shakespeare and we know the

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Oxford was very very skilled as a

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Shakespeare he can't have can't have it

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was a noble sport he simply could not

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have known anything about that about

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falconry by experience

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excellent knowledge by the author

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excellent by Oxford little or none by

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Shakespeare and so on long ago on rites

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right through this list and you'll find

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that there's a very good correspondence

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between what you expect of the true

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author and what you find in the plays

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and poems and a very poor correspondence

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if any with with the gentleman from from

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from stratford-upon-avon well now I want

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to spin beginning working to talking

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about the sonnets and the dedications

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other science it was published in 1609

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it had a very brief life history that

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they I don't know how that it was sold

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by two books tellus booksellers and

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probably many hundreds were printed up

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but they were all rapidly recovered by

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the state and only 13 managed to survive

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so one big question is why was a saint

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so adverse to having shaped in

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Shakespeare's sonnets published one of

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the remaining remaining problems for us

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and what comes next yes there are many

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many questions are I think I missed the

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key this is the title page yes now I

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want the dedication there hi here's a

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dedication it begins to the dedication

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to the only beginner of these ensuing

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sonnets w mr. WH or happiness and that

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eternity promised by our everlasting

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poet wishes the well-wishing adventurer

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in setting forth missiles titi well

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Shakespeare English scholar don't know

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what to make of this and there are of

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three big books on the on this on

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science dedication to do not mention the

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occasion at all the one by Helen vanilla

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does not make that I even but with to

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make no comment on it but they at least

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reproduce it the one by Helen pendler

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hundreds of pages on the sonnets doesn't

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even represent reproduce Lee

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rededication what do they assume they

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assume a titi are the initials of Thomas

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thought the publisher and so they assume

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that they assume that the dedication we

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see here was written by Thomas Thorpe is

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referred to as thorpes dedication no

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so among the questions are the following

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who was that only beginner who was our

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ever living poet who was the

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well-wishing adventurer what was the

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adventure

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where was he setting forth to and

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scholars focus on who was mr. WH well we

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shall find that most but the problem

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here Rises in large part from the

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assumption that the decade written by

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Thomas thought and so it's referred to

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as thoughts dedication and so the

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scholars say well

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what did thought had in mind when he

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referred to the only beginner the ever

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lone poet and so on well we had to drop

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that assumption we do we have to drop

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the assumption that it was written by

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Thomas Thorpe and follow the education

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the evidence wherever it may where ever

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it may lead so here is the title page of

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the here's a title page the the

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that the only only began I was they were

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but well what was the great author

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Shakespeare and all the person who

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procured the manuscript for thought and

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the big question here who had the

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manuscript to give to the publishers it

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may have been a person who inspired the

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sonnets and here enters the character of

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the Earl of Southampton Henry Henry

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rosalie he is the only person mentioned

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by a name in any of the author's

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writings in the his two long poems Venus

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and Adonis and Raven Luke Reese he

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dedicates them to the Earl of Earl of

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Southampton in very colorful way so

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okay one thing to notice is that their

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periods four stops scattered throughout

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the throughout the dedication to full

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stop see full stop only four subsets and

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so on and now let's go on to the first

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person to really come to grips with the

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dedication of who's a engineering

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Electrical Engineering him John Rowlett

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who passed away a few years ago

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at the post office research station in

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Donna's Hill in London and he became

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interested in this because another an

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author had purported to have solved who

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WH was and I forget a very complicated

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story but rollit found that hard to

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swallow but then he thought well it's a

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very peculiar dedication maybe there is

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something hidden there after all it's

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not the it's not the solution that that

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I was presented with but there could be

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something there

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and so he then began account and then he

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drew attention to all the periods that

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well maybe the rule is to take every

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other name every other word or every

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third word and so on and that didn't get

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anywhere and but eventually he note he

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took note of the fact that the

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medication laid out in three triangles

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first one of six lines where the two

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lines are living everything poet and

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then a four lines wish it's down to

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fourth there well six to four that is

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interesting after all

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Edward de Vere has six a six letter word

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two letter word a four letter word and

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so this begins to become interesting now

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Jonathan bond a current and analysts of

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this problem

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he he he takes note of ah I missed a

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very important point here let's go back

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here we are if you take the sixth word

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in the second word sorry and then the

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fourth word what you get is these

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sonnets all by next one is ever

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well when John Roberts saw this is that

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I've drawn a blank again I don't know

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any-any playwright named ever mister

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knows no mr. ever mentioned in anything

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I've come across only later did he by

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chance note that a prime candidate for

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the authorship of Shakespeare was Edward

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de Vere initial II and the and the

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surname VAR e came from the family name

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in France of V er so ever obviously

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could be taken to indicate Edward de

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Vere jonathan barn takes a little

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further and he said to keep going you

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end up with these sonnets all by ever

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the fourth and the brother saw that but

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he didn't know what he could be the

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fourth of actually the Queen's Privy

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Council had a number of members with

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names order very carefully ordered and

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the fourth in order was Edward de Vere

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so it may have been referring to his

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role in the in the in the Queen's

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Counsel so question then Elias in his

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where science comes in what was the

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sequence of names of the words the son

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is all by ever was that by chance wanna

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check that out welcome begins scrambling

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the words and then pick out pick out

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seven words you know and then put put

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them in the right order and see what it

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sounds like and I've done that with

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collaboration for a few thousand times

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and you don't find you don't find any

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any line that makes any kind of sense so

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with the probability of less than one

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part in a thousand that you can say that

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that dedication was planned deliberately

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to point to ever Evie yari meaning

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Edward de Vere

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now they have anyway this God got it

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obviously enthusiastic so he then began

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well what other ways are there to hide

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messages in that in in text like this

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and one is called equal letter eco

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equidistance equidistant scale

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equidistant spacing and the way you

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track this down is to form a try a

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rectangle and then you write the actual

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text beginning was line one line two

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lines three and so on then what you do

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is look at the columns and say is there

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anything interesting in the columns and

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when he did this it didn't take him long

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to find yes there is I find the word

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Henry right in the middle of this of

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this chart

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Henry is was the first but was first

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name of Edward of the Earl of

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Southampton he is the prime candidate

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for the fair main of the sonnets ah here

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we are its force discovery really tricky

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but anyway once you get this far you're

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going to really pay attention to what

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you find and in this in this array I

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down here

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wor here es le y ou W Y e LS he and then

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es la y you find the word wrestle

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rosalie WR i o th es le y which is the

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surname of the oiler Southampton

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so in these two grids you find the full

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name of the only person ever named by

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the author in in print who is the prime

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candidate for this fair use of the

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sonnets there we are

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this yeah this is where Jonathan bond

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the English mathematician comes in he

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does this more carefully and said well

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actually

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Rowlett saw something he didn't see it

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all if you look you will see it begins

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with two and it spells out in the

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sequence to s spy here we are it spells

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out to s fire off really with need not

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here sight which is a kind of a

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complicated way of saying if you're

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smart you can find Ross Rosalee often in

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these sonnets so this it's amazing it's

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amazing to me how how complicated this

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dedication becomes it's amazing how many

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little messages the author packs into

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this 144 letters I mean before I looked

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at the cryptograms I knew Shakespeare

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the real Shakespeare was a very very

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clever man my opinion of him shot up

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still further when I began to see what

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he'd packed into this exist dedication

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and anyway we can now do a little

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science a little more science and

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we can now say well what's the chance

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that this word Rosalie happened by

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chance and you can do it mathematically

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you can look at the number of letters of

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each character how many there are four

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letters W in 144 that leaves nine

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letters are remaining 143 and so on you

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can then find the probability of finding

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that name in a specified number of of

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letters but then you've got to take

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account of the fact that in many ways of

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picking eleven letters out of the

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hundred and hundred and 144 and so when

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you take that into account you find the

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probability that this name Rosalia

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cleared by chance was seven times ten to

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the minus six so it's tough to imagine

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that that happened by chance

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but then bond made another discovery

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that oh it's a rather a complicated one

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God burns now it's time on this he found

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that one can find in this in a different

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array the sequence that rosy leopard

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below well it happened they've been a

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kind of argument between Shakespeare the

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author and Ben Jonson and the poem that

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to Ben Johnson wrote used the same rosy

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lips no he was some a poet ape in one of

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his one of his sonnets Shakespeare uses

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the word rosy lip so this may be a kind

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of play wordplay between Ben Jonson and

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and the true author but Melba comes the

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last the last or message which is

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anyone expecting to find a hidden

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message in a block of text would first

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look at the square and look at the

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center of the square

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Rowlett did that you did not find

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anything that looked at all interesting

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and I said there was nothing in the 12

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by 12 grid well he knew Latin Jonathan

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Bond also knew Latin and John Rowlett

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missed

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but bond picked up this fact you find

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there the words prepare a motifs a

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Maratha

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obviously the author is playing games in

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Latin with his recipient and what does

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it mean well there's no clear

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understanding exactly the sequence but

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some of the terms means and the words

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mean well deserving others mean praying

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to heard you earth to earn your

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affection your well deserving father etc

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and there's a possibility that south

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handle was in fact the sound of Oxford

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by it by the Queen so again one can both

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say what's the chance of this happening

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by chance

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what's probability among a go through

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the calculations you know whole sequence

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to go through but what you end up with

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you can go through quality of each each

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letter each word in turn and here's

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wetter finally you end up with this the

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probability of finding by chance this

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sequence prepare a boat in Meritor is

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three times e to the minus twenty was

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about the same as ten to the minus ten

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so I think at this point one can rest

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ones case and say this dedication was

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very very carefully the pair's by the by

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the true author and the true authors

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giving his name away is saying these are

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I am ever I am Eva

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and I think to me this is the end of the

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author hip question we know who the

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author was because he told us who he was

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thank you Peter as we're setting up let

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just as a quick anecdote about a year

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after your book aka Shakespeare a

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scientific approach to the authorship

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question came out

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you and I were having lunch in

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California and you were talking about

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the response to the book and I and and

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and you said that you had sent a copy of

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it to every member of the faculty in the

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English department at Stanford and I

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asked you what's their response and you

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said I haven't gotten a single one

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absolutely and and I said how do you

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explain that and you said they're

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cowards and and so on what I'm drawing

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what I'm trying to do is draw a parallel

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between the things we're talking about

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in terms of scientific models yes and

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we're doing that with a certain bias

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towards certain fields so in your field

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of physics here's a dominant model we're

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challenging it etc etc is the same

545
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process going on in the humanities and

546
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are they not open to conciliate by

547
00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:52,580
having you as an outsider come in and do

548
00:31:59,890 --> 00:31:56,420
this very good point it's very very

549
00:32:04,020 --> 00:31:59,900
interesting I mean now we're physicists

550
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:04,030
etc looking at something a puzzle in

551
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:08,510
involves the the humanities and we say

552
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:10,460
oh that they're pretty dominant they're

553
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:12,020
not doing their homework and out of

554
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:15,260
minded but the question is supposing

555
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:19,030
that you had the capability to study

556
00:32:22,390 --> 00:32:21,080
what we're doing from a strictly

557
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:22,400
scientific point of view what they'd be

558
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:25,430
saying I think we're get a better

559
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:30,440
response but no thank you I'm not sure

560
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:32,600
if I thought all the intricate details

561
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:34,270
of your talk but I saw the general

562
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,799
reaction

563
00:32:40,289 --> 00:32:38,799
when I work with texts and stuff and I'm

564
00:32:43,139 --> 00:32:40,299
a writer myself I find all these

565
00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:43,149
patterns and I was saying I've come up

566
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,429
with wherever you cast your obsessive

567
00:32:49,259 --> 00:32:48,159
attention there shall you find weird

568
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:49,269
patterning yes

569
00:32:53,999 --> 00:32:52,450
yeah and however mmm the thing that I

570
00:32:56,999 --> 00:32:54,009
would question I wonder if you question

571
00:32:58,739 --> 00:32:57,009
it is the conventional assumption is if

572
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:58,749
you find what looks like a very precise

573
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:01,240
improbable pattern the conventional

574
00:33:06,509 --> 00:33:04,350
assumption is aha a human ego

575
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:06,519
intentionally left that there yeah but

576
00:33:10,350 --> 00:33:08,440
what I found with the weird pattern I

577
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,360
mean for example you know they say if

578
00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:11,679
you want to tell if your tires are worn

579
00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:14,139
out in your vehicle take a penny if the

580
00:33:18,989 --> 00:33:16,419
tread reaches Lincoln's head in that

581
00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:18,999
then you're okay it's exactly 1/16 of an

582
00:33:22,259 --> 00:33:20,980
inch from the perimeter of the penny to

583
00:33:24,869 --> 00:33:22,269
link the top of Lincoln's head and he

584
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:24,879
turns out to be the 16th president so it

585
00:33:29,639 --> 00:33:26,590
seems like an uncanny coincidence but

586
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:29,649
was that intentional yes you see so I

587
00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:32,049
find these incredible weird patterning

588
00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:34,149
that are left you know but by other

589
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:37,059
people for me and so forth but what I've

590
00:33:41,369 --> 00:33:39,220
discovered is that it doesn't look to me

591
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,379
like in most of these cases a conscious

592
00:33:46,769 --> 00:33:45,039
ego intended it but Retro causation some

593
00:33:49,529 --> 00:33:46,779
kind of force working through the

594
00:33:51,419 --> 00:33:49,539
unconscious love of multiple people that

595
00:33:53,879 --> 00:33:51,429
there seems like there's something much

596
00:33:56,249 --> 00:33:53,889
weirder going on with these weird

597
00:33:58,799 --> 00:33:56,259
patterns yeah have you considered other

598
00:34:02,279 --> 00:33:58,809
causal vectors besides a conscious human

599
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:02,289
attention no I hadn't I mean it's

600
00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:06,070
there's a big enough stretch to assign

601
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,099
these cryptograms to it the intention of

602
00:34:15,629 --> 00:34:11,950
the author to say what happened by some

603
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,639
other agency is there is an even bigger

604
00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:17,639
stretch so I'm not trying to push that